Punk Clubs and Gutter Dives

topic posted Mon, January 12, 2004 - 3:30 AM by  Frank Jones
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Wowee wow wow. Flyers from punk shows from the 80s. So many places (and people) that aren't around anymore:

members.tripod.com/weirdotr...flyer.htm
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Frank Jones
SF Bay Area
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    Mon, January 12, 2004 - 12:19 PM
    Ahhh YEs, Raji's, The Odyssesy, Cathay De Grande, The Music Machine, Is Al's bar still around? i just got back to LA 10 days ago.
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      Mon, January 12, 2004 - 12:23 PM
      Dammit, I was only a toddler during this period. Everyone tells me it was the best time in LA. I seemed to have been born in the wrong city, 10 years too late.
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      Mon, January 12, 2004 - 12:32 PM
      Al's closed a couple of years ago, unfortunately. It's now a juice bar with the unwiedly name Juicy Beats Artist Exchange Lounge. It's very clean and shiny now.
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        Mon, January 12, 2004 - 6:34 PM
        I'm very upset I missed Al's bar...about five years ago I came for my first visit with my best friend. I asked our escort to take us there, because I had heard of it, but for some reason, he kept driving around in circles, going way out of the way, refusing to ask any for directions, and not listening to our advice. We ended up in a HUGE fight in the car and he drove us back to WeHO to our hotel without having stopped anywhere...A wasted night!
        I'm still bitter, can you tell!
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          Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:00 PM
          oh yeah, the Starwood.
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            Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:10 PM
            Yeah, the Starwood. Sniff. Starwood, good, go! Oki dogs go!

            Do you remember that episode of CHiPs where Ponch, wearing a red glitter shirt, sang "Celebrate (Good Times)" at the Starwood to an audience of fake punkers who went all crazy for his fantastical singing performance?
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              Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:16 PM
              Ah....the famous CHiPs "Punker" episode, which I always get confused with the equally famous Quincy "Punker" episode. I think some friends of mine were in both as extras. Back then punkers were harder to come by, so TV producers would go to clubs and round up extras as exotic decor for their programs.

              God, I'd love to see both those shows again. Is there anywhere in LA where you can go dig up old TV shows, like a big archive somewhere? There's gotta be. There needs to be.
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                Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:28 PM
                What I liked about that episode is that when they were inside the "punker house" they had like Slayer and Dio posters on the walls. And that their hit song was called "I Dig Pain." Apparently the show's writers couldn't tell the difference between punks or hippies or metalheads, so they decided to just throw everything into the blender.

                Check the TBS Superstation schedule frequently enough and you might chance upon that magic episode.

                www.superstation.com/schedul...,00.html

                Like tonight at 4:20 AM, for instance, you could see this episode:

                "Dynamite Alley

                Bonnie claims a truck forced her off a mountain road frequently used as an impromptu racetrack."

                You can't make this stuff up.
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                  Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:38 PM
                  Yes, I think it was in the 'Quincy' episode where the band was dressed up like a bad version of Kiss, and lest my memory fail me, I remember the lyrics to their song went something like this:

                  "I just want to kill myself, I just want to CHOOOOOOKE! I just want to kill myself, I just want to CHOOOOKE!"

                  And the "punker chick" at the center of the story was some blond valley-girl type with jeans and a t-shirt and pippi-longstocking style pigtails. Very punk!
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                    Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:44 PM

                    don't forget the CHiPs epi with donny most, as the "crazy kiss-type rock demon" who was being stalked by a murderous fan.

                    i only bring this up because: i am tangentally related to him (on my stepdad's side) and ralph the mouth in kiss makeup never really leaves you once you see it.
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                      Mon, January 12, 2004 - 7:47 PM
                      I do remember that one. It was almost as scary as seeing John Davidson play a transvestite on "Streets of San Francisco".
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                        Mon, January 12, 2004 - 8:05 PM
                        Saw that one - some fucking scary shit. I also remember seeing Der Gubernator on 'The Streets of SF', this is when he was just a bodybuilder and could hardly speak a word of English - the plot had something to do with a murder in the weightlifting circuit or something.

                        Damn, I miss Karl Malden.

                        Defunct TV = Defunct LA
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                        Thu, January 15, 2004 - 7:54 PM
                        The Quincy episode in question was called 'Last Stop To Nowhere'. That and the CHiPs episode used to be online.

                        It's funny we're all talking about punks on TV. It was one of those moments that changed my life forever-

                        It was The Dickies on CPO Sharkey. The moment I saw that, I knew what I was witnessing was my destiny. Hell, I even had my mom take a picture of me on the day it happened to mark the occaison. Anyway, if you want to see the clip- you can see it here-

                        www.thedickiesarchives.com/mult...d.htm
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                Fri, January 16, 2004 - 1:36 AM
                I have a copy of that CHips episode on Tape. I actually found a copy of it on tape about 7 or 8 years ago. I was doing a research paper on that episode for a History of Broadcasting class in college and I was able to track down someone who had it. It starred one of the sisters from Eight is Enough. It's great! She's all "We're New Wave man! Punks angry. New Wave's all about having fun man." Hahahahah! Classic!
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                Sat, January 17, 2004 - 5:58 PM
                The Quincy episode in question, is called 'Last Stop To Nowere'. It used to be viewable on the Internet.

                Sadly, it has vanished. However, if you look on the Dickies web site, you'll see The Dickies on CPO Sharkey, performing 'Hideous'. For me, this was a piss-poor introduction to Punk, but I had enough sense to tell that the music, band, and audience was real. I was hooked from that moment. Anyway, here's a link-

                www.thedickiesarchives.com/mult...us.rm
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    Fri, January 16, 2004 - 12:45 AM

    i noticed there weren't any Dr. Know flyers on there.

    or is that for the defunct oxnard tribe ?

    testify.
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      Fri, January 16, 2004 - 12:53 AM
      Nardcore! Hahhaha!

      Jesus. The ghost of Brandon Cruz haunts us all. Even though he's still alive last time I checked.
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        Fri, January 16, 2004 - 1:44 AM
        How about the Lhasa Club? That was Pretty good. I saw some good shows at the Music Machine also. The Sportsman Lodge was good. I saw some good shows there. Never made it to Godzillas. I think that was a year or two before my time. But the Cathey was the best. But most of my time was spent drinking above the bowling alley.
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          Fri, January 16, 2004 - 10:19 AM
          Ahh the Cathey......drinking OE800, smokin a sherm stick, beating up some Guardian Angels and getting a BJ from some little punker girl for a dollar so she could see Black Flag. Man those were the days.
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            Fri, January 16, 2004 - 4:53 PM
            Brandon is still alive and is on here somewhere. I see him from time to time out and about.

            Yes! The Cathey takes the Punk Rock cake!
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              Sat, January 17, 2004 - 2:18 PM
              Oh yeah, Club 88 on Pico! I saw Black Flag there hundreds of times!
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                Sun, January 18, 2004 - 4:09 PM
                and in the OC - Fender's ballroom, Bogart's
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                  Sun, January 18, 2004 - 5:25 PM
                  I was not a big Fenders fan...only saw once show there....GWAR.

                  Anything south of Hollyweird ment I was gonna be in a fight. Hollyweed was my home and I felt comfortable there.
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                    Sun, January 18, 2004 - 7:25 PM
                    WORD. What Lurch said. But I did manage to attend a few shows at Fender's.
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                      Sun, January 18, 2004 - 11:43 PM
                      I am with Lurch. Been to both. I felt comfortable in Hollyweed.Still do today.
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                        Tue, January 20, 2004 - 6:42 PM
                        well to set the record straight, i really don't care for any of the OC, long beach, south bay whatever places. it's all OC in my eyes BUT, really, really good bands played at Bogart's all the time and it forced me to drive into the land of yellow street lights.
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                          Tue, January 20, 2004 - 7:14 PM
                          I grew up in the OC - and there was brief "renaissance" in Huntington Beach centered around Safari Sam's around '85-'88 - a surprising amount of great bands passed through there during that time. The owner, Sam Lanni, turned a crappy restaurant with a tropical 'theme' into a fairly happening place - not just bands, but amateur theater and the infamous poetry nights (I know, poetry readings universally suck ass, but this was more like the gong show).
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                            Tue, January 20, 2004 - 7:19 PM
                            Is it possible that a restaurant with a tropical theme could be "crappy"? The mind boggles.

                            Naw, I remember Safari Sam's. Never got out there, but I remember seeing the ads in the Weekly for what looked like pretty good shows. Too far out of my range, though.
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                              Tue, January 20, 2004 - 7:36 PM
                              Well, I guess it was a crappy restaurant since I never saw it actually function as one - the co-owner Gil would occasionally whip up a pot of spaghetti or something for his friends. And the decor wasn't even good tiki - mostly just dried grass tacked to the walls. It's now been taken over by the Surfing Museum, if'n you're ever in the nightmare that downtown HB has become.

                              Around the corner was the Big Red House, where we would all hang out on busted couches on the porch and crash on people's floors - It's now a police substation! Man, the irony in that boggles the mind.
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                              Wed, January 21, 2004 - 1:12 AM

                              "a restaurant with a tropical theme could be "crappy"?

                              the kahiki in columbus, ohio. i know, sounds obvious, but i've had better fare from the frozen aisle, and the "mystery girl" that brought us the mystery girl drink was missing a chromosome. they do have 15 foot flaming tiki heads out front, but please keep on driving...
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                        Fri, January 23, 2004 - 2:14 PM
                        Since most of the bands that played these clubs are now gone, I thought I would mention my freind's label, which speciallizes in keeping the spirit of their recordings alive and available-

                        (directory 1)www.dionysusrecords.com/bacchu...nk.html
                        (directory 2)www.dionysusrecords.com/dionys...ge.html

                        Please be so kind as to buy him merch. He is a small operation (he's doing this all on his own).
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                          Fri, February 27, 2004 - 4:47 PM
                          As I read this, my boyfriend is screaming names over my shoulder...I just moved here in September, but he's lived here for years...so he mentions Madame Wongs, Hong Kong Cafe, Doghouse, where Cheetah's is now, Osco's, White Trash a go-go...and he says he snorted his first cocaine at Starwood with Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth when they were recording VH 2-my BF was about 14 at the time (I know its not punk, but just a decadent fact)...and how about the Club with no Name?
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                            Fri, February 27, 2004 - 5:11 PM
                            Dang, most of those places were gone by the time I started going to shows. Except the Starwood and Madame Wongs, and Starwood was on its last legs (and Wongs - both of 'em - was booking "safe" acts by '83). I bet at least Lurch and Tim L. remember those places.

                            Then again, I was a valley punk. I probably saw more shows in people's garages than actual clubs.
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                              Fri, February 27, 2004 - 5:57 PM
                              And don't forget Zero 1....Not where it morphed on Melrose but around 84 when it was on Highland (I think) or was it La Brea. I performed a buncha times at the Lhasa Club, not to mention the Anti-Club. Now that was a scene.
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                                Fri, February 27, 2004 - 8:40 PM
                                Laurel, The Zero 1 was great!

                                Lots of booze, bands, and great art going on there! Sad it closed down a few years back. It was on La Bera and Melrose. Now it is some posh gallery I think?

                                I never liked the Anti-Club too much. Helen was always trying to sweat. We snuck in there big! Many times! I think the greatest thing in the 80's was when Youth Brigade played there and they would not pay them. So the Stern brothers thrashed the bar! Serves that miser right! Lol!
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                                  Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:02 PM
                                  "I never liked the Anti-Club too much. Helen was always trying to sweat."

                                  You know, it was better when Jack Marquette was there. That was mostly when I went. After Helen kicked him out of there, the place went downhill pretty fast.
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                                    Sun, January 15, 2006 - 7:04 PM
                                    In her defense, I've got to say that my boyfriend's band played there, the place wasn't terribly crowded, but she paid them something like $75, which was more than fair and probably the most they ever made for a gig! Maybe she was in a rare good mood.
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                            Fri, February 27, 2004 - 8:34 PM
                            Hey Erika!

                            That is way cool! Lurch and I know some of those, or I do. Like "Madame Wongs" and "Hong Kong." Never got to "Starwood."' It closed the Summer before I got into punk 1981 I believe?
                            Now Doghouse? That was "The Shamrock bar' and I would hang there a lot late 80's early 90's. I dug that joint! Osco's? That sounds filmilar. "White Trash" does too.

                            Before "The Club with No Brain" I called it was better has The Scream club! that was fun!

                            You should tell your boyfriend to come on here and chat. I wonder if Lurch and I know him. Cool!:)



                            As I read this, my boyfriend is screaming names over my shoulder...I just moved here in September, but he's lived here for years...so he mentions Madame Wongs, Hong Kong Cafe, Doghouse Where Cheetah's is now, Osco's, White Trash a go-go...and he says he snorted his first cocaine at Starwood with Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth when they were recording VH 2-my BF was about 14 at the time (I know its not punk, but just a decadent fact)...and how about the Club with no Name?
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                              Fri, February 27, 2004 - 8:45 PM
                              Osco's was where the Beverly Center is now. It was a disco in the 70s (they filmed Thank God It's Friday there). In the late 80s it was a club called Funky Reggae.
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                                Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:07 PM
                                Do you remember the Odyssey, which was also right around there? That place was weird. New Wave Nights!
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                                  Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:18 PM
                                  Yeah, I remember the Oddyssey. It was on Beverly, I think. Right down the street from where th e Beverly Center is now. That place burned down in 85 or 86 after one of the local councilwomen cunts had it closed down. I think the cunts name was Joy Picus or Ficus, something like that. I remember tripping on acid there and staring out the bubble window.
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                                    Fri, March 5, 2004 - 1:17 AM
                                    Now I know Oscos Chris! Also The Oddyssey too.

                                    I went in there on PCP in 1984 and I saw these two gay guys kissing and one of the boyfriend's was going...."Come on let's go!" And then he stormed of like some butterfly! Lol! That was some fuckin comedy when I was coming down on that shit and kicking back in some room! Lol!
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                                  Thu, January 5, 2006 - 5:43 PM

                                  Still have my free pass,notepad and book of official matches that Rodney Bing-n-high-mer, a.k.a king of the TV room, handed out one lonely blue and white new wave day glo x-mas.
                                  Halloween was the best.
                                  The only place you could really have fun and score good drugs on a school night. Drop down TV screens that made time stand still everytime they played some new thing like Purple Rain or Like A Virgin.

                                  Anybody member 321 in Santa Monica.
                                  Seven Seas(sleeze) in Hollywood.
                                  Phases in Reseda??????

                                  Tradge by any standards, but good for the memories!
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                                Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:50 PM
                                I remember well all the punk clubs listed from 1978-82.

                                I was on the East coast from '82-'87. Sometime after my return in '87, I remember going to Funky Reggae. As my friend Joanne and I were leaving the club, there was a drive by, and the crowd lurched back into the club at the sound of gunfire. In the panic, someone knocked my glasses off, and they were crushed by the crowd. We left the club under an LAPD helicopter that was looking for the shooters.
                                Ah, those were the days!
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                              Sun, February 29, 2004 - 10:12 PM
                              I know he should come on here and chat- but he's more shy than I am ( as If it matters online!!!)....
                              And knowing him, he probably knows everyone...
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                            Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:40 PM
                            Erika:
                            A lot of folks snorted their first cocaine at the Starwood-- that's why the feds seized the place from owner Eddie Nash-- he was using the club to distribute cocaine.
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                              Sun, March 7, 2004 - 3:34 PM
                              Yeah-Did you see the movie with Val Kilmer- Wonderland-It was awesome-at least to me-someone who wasn't here in those days
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                                Sun, March 7, 2004 - 6:00 PM
                                I've been meaning to rent that movie.

                                I lived in LA during that time(and my step-sister lived just off Wonderland when the murders happened). I have fond memories of going to punk shows at the Starwood in the early '80's.
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                                  Sun, March 7, 2004 - 9:00 PM
                                  I want to see that. I remember when that happened. We used to party up on wonderland in the 80's.
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                                    Sun, March 7, 2004 - 11:23 PM
                                    i worked on that movie, and inerestingly enough the exterior of the wonderland house was shot outside the actual house on wonderland av. well...two doors down but it's three houses that are identical right next to each other. the funny thing is that this house was abandoned because the owner was also murdered. it would be a nice neighborhood if they could only get rid of the pesky homicide problem.
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                                      Tue, March 9, 2004 - 1:03 PM
                                      BTW-the CHIPs and Kojak episodes we were talking about earlier, and also an episode of The Hulk are actually encouraged me to move to LA...of course I was VERY YOUNG...well Kojak was in NY...but in my memory they were all melded together.

                                      And if any of you have Netflix...Wonderland is on there.
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                                        Tue, March 9, 2004 - 2:02 PM
                                        Kojak was probably filmed in LA, though. Most TV shows set in NY in the 70s and 80s were actually filmed in downtown LA to save money. These days the production companies tend to use Toronto to double for NYC.
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                                          Tue, March 9, 2004 - 2:46 PM
                                          At least Toronto can look like New York. Need light filters and what are now the scuzziest parts of downtown (for achitecture not "mood") and great editing to really pull it off. Though I guess 70s didn't need to try hard as I'm sure suspension of disbelief was low on producers' priority lists.
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                                            Tue, March 9, 2004 - 8:37 PM
                                            I just saw a bit on John Holmes the other night on the tube. The place on Wonderland was an apartment, not a house.
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                                              Wed, March 10, 2004 - 1:14 AM
                                              Yes, they are apts. It is right there when Wonderland starts on the right hand if I recall going up the hill?
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                                                Wed, March 10, 2004 - 8:03 AM
                                                it looks like an apt. but it's a house.
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                                                  Wed, March 10, 2004 - 2:25 PM
                                                  right on.
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                                                    Mon, May 3, 2004 - 9:26 PM
                                                    I MISS JABBERJAW! I saw so many bands play there. When the room was packed, everyone got really sweaty and you could actually see the condensation on the walls! I heard it closed due to repeated fire code violations. Now it's a pentecostal church. There was also the Troy Cafe downtown, I think Beck's mom was one of the owners. Now it's Senor Fish. The food is mediocre, but maybe I went in with bad feelings to begin with.
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                                                      Mon, May 3, 2004 - 10:34 PM
                                                      Jabberjaw was alright. I went there a few times and saw my friends Pegboy play there. But you are right, that place would turn into a sweat box. I did not like that crack neighborhood too. wit all the Bloods around.

                                                      Do not know the Troy Cafe.
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                                                      Thu, January 5, 2006 - 5:30 PM

                                                      Why yes Bebe was responsible for Troy. She used to hang around and chat with everyone just for fun. She was last seen at Vaginal Davis' 20's Diva speakeasy Bricktops that just closed down.

                                                      Yeah to Jabberjaw!!
                                                      The only place you could stand in the exit line/bathroom line with Drew Barrymore, Morphine, and some homeless guy from the hood, all at the same time.
                                                      I just found some pix from the last and final show the night they closed down. The Make-Up.
                                                      Great all ages places are truely a thing of the past.

                                                      Nobody mentioned the original Mr. T's.
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    Mon, May 3, 2004 - 10:55 PM
    What a great thread. Good times... good times...

    > God, I'd love to see both those shows again. Is there anywhere in LA where you can go dig up old TV shows, like a big archive somewhere?

    There didn't used to be, but there is now. The Museum of Television and Radio has a library. You can make an appointment and page any episode they have.
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      Tue, May 4, 2004 - 10:58 AM
      I would like to see all the Eye on L.A. stuff with the riots in 1983 at Exploited and if I recall TSOL. There was a lot of Punk on the news back then. I have not been there yet but maybe one of these moons.
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        Fri, July 9, 2004 - 5:48 PM
        Well, this is defunct O.C., but for those of you who were there, this website is a labor of love:

        home.comcast.net/~fuhrer6/...fsams.html

        It's run by Gil Fuhrer, who was the co-owner of Safari Sams.
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          Fri, December 30, 2005 - 11:17 PM
          I hear Safari Sam's is opening on Sunset in Echo Park or Silverlake.

          Does anyone remember Blackie's on La Brea? And the New Wave Theater gigs at the Florentine Gardens? Lawrence Fishburne used to work the door there; he must have been 16 or so.
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            Sat, January 7, 2006 - 12:29 PM
            me, i remember blackies, & the on club (i drive by it all the time, it isnt there any more, nothing is), & the florentine gardens, & the vex, & club 88, & everything else, i remember everything.

            but i did not know lawrence fishburne worked the door. how wild. over & back to bed, thanks.
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              Sun, January 15, 2006 - 7:09 PM
              Actually, I think the On Club building is still standing; there's a place in what I think is the right spot painted yellow and green, but shut tighter than a drum. Or is that a door or two down?
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                Fri, February 3, 2006 - 1:14 AM
                oh, i am sorry, i should have answered a while back.

                yeah, the building is there, it is just that the club is not.

                it is like going to the masque building(s) (i am around the one on cherokee frequently. they are doing some sort of retrofitting to it) & the building is there, but, oh heavens, it is NOT the same.

                & now, of course, book city is not the same either, just the sign is still there-- & not for long.

                there used to be about a dozen bookshops all over hollywood boulevard; my exhusband & i would go used bookshopping all the time up there-- he had just turned 17 & i was a couple of years younger-- we LOVED that place SO much-- it sounds so strange, you could not say something like this now, but he was heavily into beckett (he has maybe a semester & a quarter of college) & me, i dont think i was much better than doing fashion in those days, but dark & getting darker (my favorite book was "the savage God" whencefrom i took half my name--) --my exhusband had the best book collection i have ever seen-- & he had just turned 17. then, of course, he went berserk-- not postal, just berserk-- now i have to tell people, well, you know his mother was schizophrenic--

                ah, i talk so much. too much. but i was a Club Addict from the time i was 10 years old & trying to get to rodneys, which may even have been closed by then. Rock & Roll was my dream life. how horrible it has changed.

                has anyone mentioned the sugar shack yet?? speaking of underage business--

                or rodneys, come to think of it-- although i never got there. i have a friend who is a photographer who did, & she also photographed john lennon, i think at the troubadour, years before i ever got anywhere.....
                • masque building. ON club building.

                  Fri, February 3, 2006 - 2:26 AM
                  b/c i am goofy, i forgot to say that i meant the ON club building is there, but the club is not. apologies.

                  also-- i used to, stupidly, go out w/ mark plummer. just a little bit, like-- once. maybe twice-- i was 13, he was, i dont know, 30.

                  what a maroon. him, not me, i threw a chair at him in the balcony of the whisky a gogo. at any rate. the reason i mention this is, if anyone knows the =building= that the masque was in, on cherokee, he lived in it, in an apartment. i went up there w/ him, for some-- as the Governor's Girlfriend would say-- outercourse. i wasnt doing anything else. i didnt even -like- him. he was just the manager of the masque. i figured he knew cool people. what a maroon: me.

                  anyway, in the lobby of that building they had HUGE photos of old moviestars-- people like jean harlow, clark gable-- maybe 4' x 4'. i remember jean harlow b/c mark plummer said "you, you look like that." i wonder if he said that to everyone-- but lots of people said that to me-- still-- when they dont think hair-- my hair sucks-- at any rate.

                  about 5 years ago, i went for a job interview there-- i cant do php-- no job-- the guy was nice though-- & the pictures, sadly, were gone. so-- defunct.

                  i doubt that helped anyone, but i wrote it.

                  i am trying to write to my mailing list that i just found out rotten spouse 2 just became a stockboy at target in san luis obispo (he was always worried that i was ruining his Career), but i havent figured out how to make it funny enough yet.
  • Re: Punk Clubs and Gutter Dives

    Thu, December 2, 2004 - 6:42 PM
    did this thread really run to 81 posts w/o -the masque- being mentioned??

    my heart just breaks.

    into little bits. then again, it often does.

    so i shall mention:

    masque 1, basement on cherokee, beneath the landing, beneath the giant moviestar photos, just off hollywood

    masque 2, corner of santa monica & vine, behind the building, behind the yoshinoya beef bowl

    i met my exhusband there.

    the last time i spoke to darby crash it was there. i told him i was quitting drinking b/c i did not like losing control so much. i was 14. i am smart, everyone knows it, he was -listening- to me. a little while later my exhusband said it was him or my friends. i made a poor choice. in a way. in a way. now all of the above breaks my heart.

    havent liked anyone else anywhere near as much as the crowd that would encompass all of the abovenoted (exhusband included) since.

    as a small aside, if you are reading this:

    hi laurel ann. it is me who used to run the bookshop at beyond baroque. i hope you are doing good & fred is not getting you down too much. some days i would like to run fred over w/ at least the corner of a detestable suv, but that is not another story.
    • Re: Punk Clubs and Gutter Dives

      Thu, December 2, 2004 - 6:48 PM
      i wish this machine would let me edit my posts.

      to witt.

      1. beef bowel was not there when masque 2 was there. i dont remember what was there instead.

      2. myexhusband said i could pick either my exhusband or my friends, not darby crash or my friends, darby crash was included in the group he thought of as my friends. he was also included in the group that would be thought of as my exhusbands friends, but my exhusbands friends i believe were at that time beginning to be burned out on my exhusband.

      3. fred is another story, not not another story, but another story not worth mentioning. i said all of that wrong.

      4. i should have noted that at least half of the people i once knew from there are now dead (donnie rose, claude bessy, tomata duplenty, jeffrey lea pierce & of course darby, among many, many others (randy, gorilla rose, on & on.....)

      i, personally, am plagued by thoughts of all of this. the people that remain (cf brendan mullen) have been co-opted into the beef bowel that is no return, i am afraid. i should note, since that brings up the darby book, that i think don is okay. havent seen him in a couple of years; if you see him, say hi for me.

      tired here.
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        Re: Punk Clubs and Gutter Dives

        Fri, December 30, 2005 - 8:20 PM
        who remember's the 'On Club' on old sunset in Silver Lake? I saw The Circle Jerks and the Alley Cats at the Starwood, I think I went there twice. I went to the Hong Kong Club once and saw Oingo Boingo at Madam Wong's. Saw X a few times in SB & some other places in LA. The Babalon Warrior's played the On Club and Top Jimmy, I saw Tom Wait's there dancing with Ricky Lee (?).

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